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This Document Copyright 1994, 1995 by the Echoes Mailing List and its Members. For questions on distribution, contact: echoes-faq@fawnya.tcs.com
Note that this document assumes a fair amount of technical knowledge -- there are no in-depth instructions on how to FTP, or how to connect to the WWW, etc. It's assumed that if you're not sure how to do something, you will take the responsibility to contact the appropriate Usenet help group, or to talk to your University computing center or the MIS/IT area of your employer. Please don't ask "how to" questions on the Pink Floyd newsgroups, mailing lists, or other forums where it's just not appropriate. Thanks!
All of these sites offer access to Pink Floyd-related materials via anonymous logins. What this means is that (on most sytems) you type
ftp <sitename>Then you login as "anonymous" (or type "login anonymous," depending on the system). For the password, enter your username@address. Once you're in, use the
cd <directory>command to change to the Pink Floyd directory. Use the "dir" command to get a list of what's in the directory. Use the command
get <filename>to retrieve a file back to your home site. Be sure to use the "binary" command before you get any non-text file. You can use the "exit" command to return to your home site.
Yes, you can, through the miracles of "FTPmail." The gist of FTPmail is that you send the commands necessary to log into an FTP site and retrieve a file to a special mail server, and that server will log in and get the file for you, and then send it to you as a mail message.
This is real easy for text files, but there's a slight problem with binary (picture, sound, non-text) files -- if you mail them in unmodified form, they'll get trashed. This is solved by having the FTPmail site convert the binary file to text when it sends it to you, and then you can convert it back to a binary format when you get it.
The most common method for doing this is through UUencoding and UUdecoding. FTPmail can easily UUencode a binary file, and UUdecoders for most computer systems are readily available. The only problem is that, of course, if you're reading this, you can't just FTP one, and you can't get one via FTPmail 'cause you can't decode it. So you'll have to call a local BBS, computer user group, or find some other way of getting one. Note also that most Unix systems have UUencoding/decoding software available.
To use FTPmail, send the message
helpto the address
ftpmail@decwrl.dec.comThis will send you a help file explaining how to use the FTPmail server. It includes some examples, but I'll provide a further one. Say you want to get the 1993 Rockline Interview with Roger Waters (recommended reading, as are most of the interviews). Using the index to ftp.halcyon.com in Q8.2, you would send the following to the FTPmail server:
connect ftp.halcyon.com ascii chdir pub/pink_floyd/interviews get waters.rockline.93 quitFTPmail will shortly send you back a message saying it received your request. It often takes a day or two for the request to process, as many other people use this service.
Yes, there are several. To use these you'll need a program that lets you browse the Web -- such as Mosaic, NetScape, or Lynx. You can then connect to any of the following sites:
In early 1994, a Usenet group devoted to Pink Floyd, "alt.music.pink-floyd", was created. It has proved to be extremely popular, with 50-100+ posts a day in its first few months of existence. The group serves as a forum to discuss any and all Floyd-related subjects, and also the various non-Waters solo projects.
Shortly after the creation of a.m.p-f, a newsgroup dedicated to discussion of Roger Waters, "alt.music.roger-waters", was established. Topics covered by this group include both Roger's solo albums and his work with Pink Floyd. (There is, naturally, a fair amount of overlap between a.m.p-f and a.m.r-w.) This group has more limited distribution than the Pink Floyd group -- you may have to talk to your System Administrator in order to receive it.
A few general comments on both groups:
Also, you might want to check out "alt.music.progressive" -- things Floydian are sometimes discussed there as well. Finally, Pink Floyd-related pictures are also occasionaly posted to the "alt.binaries.pictures.misc" newsgroup. You can request a specific picture by posting in the "alt.binaries.pictures.d" group.
Pink Floyd fans across the Internet have amassed a fair amount of information about the band and its activities. The archives at ftp.halcyon.com and the echoserv mail-server are the main repositories for such files; see Questions 8.2 and 7.1.
However, several of these resources merit special note...
Many Floyd albums don't come with lyrics. Some have certain lyrics wrong. And none tell you anything about those background voices that grace so many of the Floyd's songs...
As a result, you can find annotated lyric files to just about all Pink Floyd
and solo member albums at:
ftp.halcyon.com in pub/pink_floyd/lyrics
See also Part 2, Questions: 1, 12,
17, and 18; Part 3, Questions
6, 23, and
24; and Part 4, Questions 14,
19, 20, and
31. (It's a popular topic, as you can see... ;)
While in most cases it's pretty obvious, on some Floyd songs there are always questions about who in fact is singing. The VocalList file answers those questions -- it lists the vocalist for pretty much every song that Pink Floyd recorded. It also adds album and song credits, and the first and last time each song was performed live.
The most recent edition of the VocalList can be obtained by mailing to "echoserv@fawnya.tcs.com" the following, lowercase and left-justified:
mail vocallist.2.99 echoes quit
Maintained by Gerhard den Hollander (Gerhard@jason.nl)
Over the years, the members of Pink Floyd have participated in a number of other projects. This file lists albums and songs that Pink Floyd members, or their associates, produced, played on, or were otherwise involved with.
The most recent version of the Guest Work file can be obtained by mailing to "echoserv@fawnya.tcs.com" the following:
mail guest.work echoes quit
It can also be found on the ftp.halcyon.com FTP archive (see Q8.2) Maintained by Aaro Koskinen (Aaro.Koskinen@Helsinki.FI)
Information about all aspects of the current Pink Floyd world tour is available, largely through the efforts of Piet de Bondt. Files available are:
These can be accessed through the WWW, via anonymous FTP, and by e-mail from the "echoes-tour" database (see Questions: 2, 1.1, and 7.1, respectively).
Internet Relay Chat is basically a super version of the standard 'net TALK program. TALK lets two people on opposite ends of the Earth talk to each other in real time -- what one types shows up on the other's computer as it's typed, and vice versa (well, it shows up as it's typed if you have a good connection ;)
IRC lets many, many people talk to each other in this manner. To keep things from getting too chaotic, it's organized into "channels" devoted to particular topics. The main Pink Floyd IRC channel to use is
#pinkfloydwhich is generally kept open all the time. Occasionaly, some annoying soul will take it over and make it invite-only. In this case, you might try
#pinkfloyd2For more information on IRC, its use, conventions, etc., you should read the IRC FAQ, posted often to the "alt.irc" Usenet newsgroup and available via FTP at "ftp.undernet.org" in the "/irc/docs" directory. If you have questions about how to use IRC, alt.irc is the place to direct them.
Echoes is a mailing list devoted to Pink Floyd. It has been running for about three years now. It replaces a list called "Eclipse" that ran for several years previous. There are roughly 1000 members of Echoes, on (at last count) 5 continents.
Echoes is available in two formats: realtime and digest. "Realtime" means that you get messages as soon as they are sent by other members. The "digest" format is composed of all the realtime postings: they are grouped together in a more compact format, mailed out once a day or so.
Echoes is a very active list: expect 50-100 messages a day (or 35k to 150k per day). With traffic already so high, we try to avoid certain topics that we've found do more harm than good. "Taboo" topics include:
Nor is it the place to try out a big .sig -- no matter how "cool" it is. In contrast, some typical echoes topics:
In other words, there isn't much talked about on echoes that isn't talked about in the newsgroups or other forums. Rather, it's that subset of topics that is most appropriate for a mailing list setting of knowledgeable fans. As such, we try to keep the signal to noise ratio as high as possible and don't take kindly to folks who only want to contribute to the noise portion. If you violate these Echoes by-laws, actions include everything from warnings to being dropped from Echoes to having a talk with your SysAdmin. Sadly (or fortunately) this has only had to happen twice in 3 years.
(Appologies for the strictness of this description, but it seems to help avoid trouble if folks know all this in advance.)
If you are interested in joining Echoes, mail to
echoserv@fawnya.tcs.comwith the following message:
help quitThis will send you subscription information.
Yes, there are a great many musical mailing lists on the 'net. To get a list of them all (The Musical List of Lists), do one of the following:
In addition to handling Echoes subscription routines (Q9), echoserv has stored, and can send you on request, back issues of the Echoes digest and assorted other files of interest. At this point, these files are divided into several different databases. Each database contains its own distinct set of files--think of them as different directories.
All commands to echoserv should be lowercase and left-justified, with the "quit" command included (if necessary) at the end of the message, before any .sig
For a complete "manual" for echoserv, beyond what is covered here, use the command "help"
To obtain a list of available files, mail to echoserv
echoserv@fawnya.tcs.comand use the "filelist" command:
filelist <database>where <database> should be replaced with the name of the directory you'd like a listing of. Valid values are listed below. Do not enter the word "<database>." This will cause an error and just send your mail back to you, as there's no database called "<database>."
As of January '95 the current databases are:
Other databases may be added from time to time. To get a list of the currently available databases use the "index" command.
To contribute to the RoIO database, get a copy of the blank RoIO description form, fill it out, and send it to "roio-maint@fawnya.tcs.com" (see P1Q20) Send submissions for the other databases directly to bear ("echoes-request").
To get individual files from echoserv, you use the "mail"/"send" commands (they are interchangable).
To get volume 1 number 1 of the Echoes digest, use the following command:
mail echoes.digest.v1n1 echoes-vol1Requests for other issues (and, later, other volumes) are constructed in the obvious manner. As of May 4, 1994, the current digest is v3n168
To get a list of available Eclipse archives, send the command:
filelist eclipseIf you know the specific date you want, you can get the file directly, as the date is part of the name:
send eclipsed.30aug90 eclipse send eclipsed.01feg91 eclipseNB: the filename has eclipse in the past tense (i.e. "eclipsed")
The 5 parts of the FAQ are also stored on echoserv, and can be sent to you. They are in the "echoes" database, and the filenames are:
echoes.faq.3.0So, to get Part 2, you would use the command(this document)echoes.faq.3.1 echoes.faq.3.2 echoes.faq.3.3 echoes.faq.3.4
send echoes.faq.3.2 echoesNote that many mailers choke at about 100K characters, and the FAQ runs well beyond that. If you have problems, let me know, and I can send you the FAQ in smaller chunks.
There is currently a Pink Floyd Archive Site at ftp.halcyon.com. This site includes lyrics, interviews, articles, and other info, but no actual archives of the Echoes list (those are available via echoserv).
Because of problems with people uploading pirated software, uploads to halcyon are handled via e-mail only. To submit something for the archives, send it to:
rjones@halcyon.comBe sure to include a short description of what the file is, and what directory it should go into. Files should be send UUencoded. Whenever you type up an article, come across a picture you haven't seen before, etc., please upload a copy to the archives, so that people years from now will be able to take advantage of them.
To give you an idea what's available, and to make things easier for FTPmail users, here's a list of what's available at ftp.halcyon.com as of July 11.
Note: the "." before the directory name stands for "pub/pink_floyd" -- thus, MOTHER.GIF is located in "pub/pink_floyd/pics/MOTHER.GIF"
./pics/MOTHER.GIF ./pics/PF94AD.JPG ./pics/TW-PASS.GIF ./pics/PFTICK.JPG ./pics/airshipc.gif ./pics/PIG90.JPG ./pics/berlin1.gif ./pics/ROGER90.JPG ./pics/berlin2.gif ./pics/TDB-BCK.JPG ./pics/berlin3.gif ./pics/TDBELL.JPG ./pics/design1.gif ./pics/THEWALL.JPG ./pics/design1a.gif ./pics/Wind_Blows.jpg ./pics/design1b.gif ./pics/design2.jpg ./pics/DSotMxx.gif ./pics/pfdsot.jpg ./pics/earlcort.gif ./pics/pfwywh.jpg ./pics/foxboro.gif ./pics/pompeii1.jpg ./pics/january.gif ./pics/pompeii2.jpg ./pics/march.gif ./pics/pompeii3.jpg ./pics/no-tix2.gif ./pics/pompeii4.jpg ./pics/pf-set-a.gif ./pics/pompeii5.jpg ./pics/pf-set-b.gif ./pics/pompeii6.jpg ./pics/podium.gif ./pics/pompeii7.jpg ./pics/podiumc.gif ./pics/pressc1.jpg ./pics/stockh-1.gif ./pics/pompeii8.jpg ./pics/stockh-2.gif ./pics/pompeii9.jpg ./pics/tdb-colr.gif ./pics/pressc2.jpg ./pics/tdb.edited.gif ./pics/pfsetpcx.zip ./pics/Devision_Bell.jpg ./pics/PFMPEG.LHA ./pics/DivisionBell.jpg ./pics/PFXMPEG.LHA ./pics/PF-ME.JPG
./articles/Q.1991 ./articles/barrett.opel ./articles/atd.billboard.1992 ./articles/globe.1992 ./articles/news.clips ./articles/ezrin.feb93 ./articles/Index ./articles/atd.sep92 ./articles/record.collector.1992 ./articles/hyde.bomb ./articles/barrett.1978 ./articles/melody.aug67 ./articles/compleat.top.gear ./articles/melody.dec67 ./articles/syd.nme.1974 ./articles/barret.rc.1993 ./articles/record.coll.1992.2 ./articles/post.1993 ./articles/Q.waters.1992 ./articles/press.release.94tour ./articles/Q.thorgerson.1992 ./articles/barrett.roio
./discographies/discog ./discographies/floyd.disc1 ./discographies/waters.1 ./discographies/Index ./discographies/single.list ./discographies/maple.disc ./discographies/uk.disc.1 ./discographies/cd.singles ./discographies/rarities.pricing.93
./interviews/gilmour.source ./interviews/waters.la_times.1992 ./interviews/peter.watts ./interviews/Index ./interviews/shades.of.pink ./interviews/waters.nov.92 ./interviews/waters.1987 ./interviews/waters.bbc.1990 ./interviews/waters.penthouse ./interviews/waters.rockline.93 ./interviews/waters.wall ./interviews/barrett.1971 ./interviews/snowy.white ./interviews/parsons.feb93 ./interviews/gilmour.Q.1990 ./interviews/syd.roio ./interviews/waters.rcd.1992 ./interviews/wywh.gilmour ./interviews/gilmour.musician.1992 ./interviews/wywh.roger ./interviews/waters.germany.92 ./interviews/syd.nme.1974 ./interviews/gilmour.rcd.1992 ./interviews/sound.bites ./interviews/gilmour-july-94 ./interviews/guitar-world-sep-94 ./interviews/waters-nytimes-june-1994
./lists/guest.work ./lists/videotapes ./lists/never.live ./lists/Index ./lists/pf-roio-1 ./lists/sessions.bbc ./lists/who.sang.what ./lists/early.performances ./lists/article.list ./lists/echoserv.help ./lists/tour.list ./lists/index.subjects.vol1 ./lists/cover.songs ./lists/index.issues.vol1 ./lists/pf-roio-2 ./lists/vocallist ./lists/solo-roio ./lists/never.live.202
./lyrics/11.wall ./lyrics/about.face ./lyrics/06.meddle ./lyrics/radio.kaos ./lyrics/09.wywh ./lyrics/03.more ./lyrics/13.momentarylapse ./lyrics/Index ./lyrics/00.singles ./lyrics/wind.blows ./lyrics/08.DSotM ./lyrics/ficticious.sports ./lyrics/05.atomheart ./lyrics/amused.to.death ./lyrics/07.obscured ./lyrics/david.gilmour ./lyrics/prosncons ./lyrics/wet.dream ./lyrics/12.finalcut ./lyrics/wa.1.the.body ./lyrics/01.piper ./lyrics/wa.3.radio.kaos ./lyrics/02.saucerful ./lyrics/division.txt ./lyrics/04.ummagumma ./lyrics/syd.barrett ./lyrics/10.animals
./misc/dstom.cds ./misc/drugs.paper ./misc/echoes.poll ./misc/rmcd.jan93 ./misc/montreal.1977 ./misc/echoes.nov92.poll ./misc/rmm.poll ./misc/hair.survey ./misc/drug.survey ./misc/chords.MLoR ./misc/kaos.xcrpt ./misc/chords.tfc ./misc/1992.echoes.poll ./misc/chords.early ./misc/prosncons.explanation ./misc/chords.green.color ./misc/jrf.faq ./misc/chords.more.early ./misc/Index ./misc/chords.DSotM ./misc/berlin.promo ./misc/chords.wywh ./misc/kaos.intro ./misc/chords.anthology.1 ./misc/prosncons.xcrpt ./misc/chords.anthology.2 ./misc/oracle.answer.2 ./misc/chords.anthology.3 ./misc/oracle.answer ./misc/chords.anthology.4
./echoes_faq/echoes.faq.3.0 ./echoes_faq/echoes.faq.3.1 ./echoes_faq/echoes.faq.3.2 ./echoes_faq/echoes.faq.3.3 ./echoes_faq/echoes.faq.3.4
./sounds/money.mod ./sounds/pftime.rol ./sounds/pfabitw.mid ./sounds/pfusthem.mid ./sounds/pfbike.mid ./sounds/pfwywh.mid ./sounds/pfbreath.mid ./sounds/pfwywh.txt ./sounds/pfbreath.rol ./sounds/anybody.amf ./sounds/pfcomfor.mid ./sounds/bluesky.amf ./sounds/pffincut.mid ./sounds/goodbye.amf ./sounds/pfheyyou.mid ./sounds/nilesong.amf ./sounds/pfsheep.mid ./sounds/ovrdrive.amf ./sounds/pfshine.mid ./sounds/echoes.wav ./sounds/pftime.cmf ./sounds/pfbreath.cmf ./sounds/pftime.mid
./reviews/atd.la_times ./reviews/1974.program ./reviews/panamerica ./reviews/one.world ./reviews/the.man ./reviews/berlin.90.promos ./reviews/atd.miami ./reviews/knebworth.90 ./reviews/knebworth.3 ./reviews/atd.vinyl ./reviews/cowl.berlin ./reviews/tlamlil ./reviews/shine.on.ice ./reviews/bbc.sessions ./reviews/Index ./reviews/DSotM.xx ./reviews/atd.sony.mstr ./reviews/syd.box ./reviews/animals.thoughts ./reviews/wall.rehearsal
Here is information on how to subscribe and unsubscribe, how to post, and how to get in touch with bear, the list administrator. If you join Echoes, it might be a good idea to print this section out and keep it handy, in case you forget one of the addresses, etc.
First of all, make sure you're logged onto the address you want Echoes to be sent to. Then, send mail to
echoserv@fawnya.tcs.com"echoserv" is a mail-based list processor. It will read your message, one line at a time, and respond to each command. The subject line is irrelevant. All commands should be lowercase, and left-justified (even though they're indented here, just to confuse you ;)
If you must include a .sig file at the end of your message, you should use the "quit" command at the end of the list of commands, before your .sig, to make sure echoserv knows when to stop parsing.
So, to subscribe, use the following commands:
add echoes quit
add-digest echoes quit
add echoes add-digest echoes quit
Unsubscribing is also handled through echoserv. Send mail to
echoserv@fawnya.tcs.comWith the commands:
delete echoes quit
Basically, you unsubscribe yourself from one and then subscribe yourself to the other.
Again, mail to
echoserv@fawnya.tcs.comTo change from realtime to digest, you would say:
delete echoes add-digest echoes quitOr, to go from digest to realtime, it would be:
delete echoes add echoes quitYou will, unfortunately, be sent all the subscription material (like this document) again when you switch.
To submit a posting to the list, send it to
echoes@fawnya.tcs.comThis will immeadiately broadcast your message to all realtime subscribers (including yourself, if you are on realtime). At the end of the day (about 11:58 Pacific), all the posts sent to Echoes that day are grouped together and mailed out to digest subscribers as one large file.
Please observe the posting guidelines, listed in Q10. In addition, please don't ever post lines beginning with the string "From " or the ~ character -- these cause problems.
If you have any problems with Echoes, echoserv, or other aspects of the list, and would like to talk to the list administrator (bear), the address is:
echoest-request@fawnya.tcs.comIf you find the echoserv subscribing/unsubscribing commands too confusing or hard to remember, you can use this address for these functions as well. Just realise that response won't be as instantaneous as with echoserv.
For those who pay by the bit for their e-mail, the Digest is available in compressed form (using PKZip 2.04g), thanks to Steve Adams. Send mail to
listserv@homeloan.demon.co.ukwith the single command
helpThis will send you information on how to subscribe.
The following posting guidelines were agreed upon by Echoes members:
unsubscribe echoes (both lines justified to the left margin
quit in the message body)
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